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Gary Dickson
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posted 06-11-2006 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Dickson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A fascinating book has come out recently in Russia called SOVIET AND GERMAN AIR COMBAT OPERATIONS IN THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR [BOEVAYA RABOTA SOVETSKOI I NEMETSKOI AVIATSII V VOV], an analysis of of Soviet and German fighter, attack, and bomber aviation 1941-1945, by Andrei Smirnov, Tranzitkniga, Moscow, 2006. It goes into detail about the effectiveness and reasons for high losses in Soviet aviation. It has extensive footnotes (over a thousand in its 500+ pages (very unusual for a Russian book), mostly recent secondary literature and German and Soviet memoirs. Of relevance to this forum are some examples from Kursk, such as this:

p. 282 - "Only in 1943 did the technical services begin to satisfactorily support the IL-2 fleet. By the start of the Battle of Kursk, in the shturmovik units of the 2nd, 15th, 16th, and 17th air armies (for the Voronezh, Bryansk, Central, and South-West Fronts, respectively) only 9.7%, 115 out of 1,184 machines, were out of service."

p. 288 - "In the first six days of the Battle of Kursk (5-10 July) shturmovik units of the 2nd Air Army, Voronezh Front lost one plane on average... after 16-17 sorties; the above mentioned 874th Shturmovik Regiment (part of the 299th Shturmovik Division, 16th Air Army, Central Front) after 11 sorties, and the 305th Shturmovik Division, 17th Air Army, South-West Front, after 2.2 sorties!"

p. 289 [comparing to IL-2 loss rates to Ju-87 losses] "Even in the middle of 1943 this level was several times (sometimes an order of magnitute) less than that of the IL-2! If in the shturmovik air units of the 2nd Air Army in the first week of the Battle of Kursk one plane was lost for every 16-17 combat sorties, in the 2nd and 77th Stuka Wings fighting on the same part of the front it was only after 100-132 sorties!"

p. 291 - "By the 11th of July the 2nd Air Army, Voronezh Front lost, mainly from fighter attacks, 39% of its shturmoviks (107 out of 276) and the 16th Air Army, Central Front, by July 10th had lost 50% (148 out of 295)."

p. 300 - Total IL-2 unrecoverable combat losses:
1943 - 3,515
1944 - 3,344 or 3,722
Jan-April 1945 - 1,691

p. 320 - fighter strength of fronts at Kursk:

2nd Air Army, Voronezh Front, 1 July 1943:
597 Yak-1, Yak-7B, La-5 (around 400 combat ready)

17th Air Army, South-West Front:
255 Yak-1, Yak-7B, La-5 (180 combat ready)

"Nevertheless, on the first day of Citadel, 5th July, the 2nd and 77th Stuka Wings executed 1,071 combat sorties without losing a single Stuka! (For comparison the shturmovik units of the 2nd Air Army with 220 aircraft lost, according to Soviet information, 27 IL-2s). On July 7th the 2nd and 77th Stuka Wings carried out (together with Fw-190s and Hs-123s from the 1st Attack Wing) 946 combat sorties - and again lost not a single Ju-87! July 8th, 9th, and 11th respectively saw 836, 882, and 604 combat sorties by the three Wings, and losses of 2, 2, and 4 Stukas. On July 6th the 2nd and 77th Stuka Wings lost, out of 793 combat sorties, 6 Ju-87s."

p. 321 - "The 305th Shturmovik Division, 17th Air Army had 2.2 sorties for each combat loss (in three days the division lost in 137 combat sorties two-thirds of its machines - 67 IL-2s. and on July 8th was withdrawn to the rear for reformation.)"

I wonder if this agrees with Chris's or anyone else's data?

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HvM
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posted 11-30-2006 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HvM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, I also remember there was a memoir by a Red Army fighter pilot that came out not long ago. I'm not too deep into the Soviet side, but interesting to see their viewpoint.

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olivier
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posted 12-23-2006 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olivier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary,

looks very interesting ! do you know if there is an english language version of the book available, or is it just russian only at the moment..?

thanks

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Gary Dickson
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posted 12-23-2006 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Dickson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I know it's not out in English, and probably won't be any time soon.

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olivier
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posted 12-24-2006 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olivier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Gary,

So if you have this book and you're able to read russian, could you say a bit more of what's in this book ? you definitely whet my appetite with this book

Thank you and merry christmas..

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Gary Dickson
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posted 12-30-2006 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Dickson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The book is long, 500+ pages, and compares the employment and effectiveness of the German and Soviet air forces. Frankly, he is rather hard on the Soviets, in my opinion. As you can tell from the info I gave in the first post, he pretty much trashes the VVS in comparison to the Luftwaffe - more losses per sortie, fewer sorties per airplane, poor training of VVS pilots, etc.

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