Maybe my other question was too large to answer, so I'll ask an other question, also about the 7. Armee (and large too).

Maybe it's rediculous, but I'm trying to make the Kriegsgliederung of the 7. Armee (the Army headquarters itself) by means of the KStN's and all the data I can find.
Therefor I have used elements of quite a few original KStN's, since the 7. Armee had a large bunch of specialized commands.

Now I'm facing the following problem: according to the original KStN 9 (Armeeoberkommando/ Panzerarmeeoberkommando), such a unit excisted of a a) Oberbefehlshaber und Chef des Generalstabes, b) Führungsabteilung, c) Oberquartiermeisterabteilung and d) Adjutantur.

But since the 7. Armee had a lot of subordinate commands etc., couldn't it be it was more organised like for instance the KStN 18 (Mil.Befh. Belgien und Nordfrankreich): a) Mil.Befh. und Chef des Generalstabes, b) I) Kommandostab, c) II) Militärverwaltungsstab and d) III) Oberquartiermeister, with the Kommandostab having
A) Führungsabteilung
B) Gruppe Z
C) Ia Terr
Ordnungsdienste
D) Heeresrichter
E) Adjutantur
F) zugeteilte Luftschutzsachbearbeiter
G) Berater in Währungsfragen

Hopefully this makes sence to someone,

Thanks in advance,

Why are you trying to make a Kriegsgliederung of the 7th Army?

I'm not afraid of being ignored at all, thank you
I try to keep the Soll- and Istgliederungen seperate. The Soll-Gliederungen act more as a back-up, or guide.

There's not much available in printed form about the 7. Armee, and all of it's forces (meaning the support troops belonging to the Armee).
I'm trying to find as much info as is possible, including the names of the personel. Thusfar I found a lot of that on the microfilms I already have (7. Armee, T312 R1566-1568, among others) of the National Archives, and on several microfiches coming from the BA-MA, plus a lot of books I've used for that purpose.

I'm very interested in the actual strength, not the supposed strength, but also in the actual structure.

Piet

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Originally posted by Chris Lawrence:
Well, if you've checked the National Archives and the Bundesarchive, I am not sure where else to go. There are personnel files you could check, but you are probably at the "point of diminishing returns". Sometime the records are incomplete and the full story is lost to history.

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If you want to look at the rear services of the 7th Armee, it can be useful too look at the Qu papers. I doubt that you will find a nice diagram or something similar giving you the information you search for. Rather you will have to scan for small bits and pieces of information that, when taken together, will possibly give you something worthwhile.
The Qu papers of 7th Armee can be found on T312, R1570 and 1571.
Also it might be worthwhile to look at the Qu papers from Heeresgruppe B (T311, R1) and Ob West (T311, R 14 & 15). But again, be prepared for some tedious work and there are no guarantees that the work will pay off.