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Vasiliy
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posted 08-29-2003 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vasiliy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, all

Where I can to buy or to take a look on the TNDM Rules and Proceudres Manual?

Thanks

Vasiliy

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Chris Lawrence
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posted 08-30-2003 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Lawrence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, but it is restricted access to only those who have purchased the TNDM. Parts of it are presented in the "Attrition Handbook", which can be ordered from us.

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Vasiliy
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posted 09-02-2003 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vasiliy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Lawrence:
Sorry, but it is restricted access to only those who have purchased the TNDM. Parts of it are presented in the "Attrition Handbook", which can be ordered from us.

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Did you mean Dupuy's "Attrition" book?


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Chris Lawrence
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posted 09-04-2003 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Lawrence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vasiliy:
Did you mean Dupuy's "Attrition" book?

Yes. The "Attrition Handbook" was an old HERO study that much of his Attrition book was drawn from.

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Vasiliy
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posted 09-05-2003 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vasiliy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Lawrence:
Yes. The "Attrition Handbook" was an old HERO study that much of his Attrition book was drawn from.


Thanks

I bought "Attrition book" from TDI yesterday. Do you know other books about war mathematic models (like Dupuy's "Numbers") from other organizations?

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Vasiliy

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Chris Lawrence
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posted 09-07-2003 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Lawrence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. I know of no other published books that provide details of how a specific combat model operates. In a sense, the QJM/TNDM are unique in that the average person can examine and critique it.

2. Other organizations have issued reports over the years describing their combat models. They are scattered and sometimes difficult to locate. Many of these reports cannot be found outside of the "industry".

3. In general though, most of these reports do not describe exactly how a model works. I am currently going through a stack of documentation on one combat model currently in use, and am finding it extremely difficult to actually determine how it does ground combat, including what factors are included. Unlike the QJM/TNDM, many combat models are not transparent.


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Vasiliy
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posted 09-08-2003 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vasiliy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about RAND's JICM model.
I know that books "Ground Combat in the JICM" and "JICM 1.0 summary" exist?

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Chris Lawrence
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posted 09-11-2003 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Lawrence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vasiliy:
What about RAND's JICM model.
I know that books "Ground Combat in the JICM" and "JICM 1.0 summary" exist?

If you can tell me exactly how ground combat is done in JICM from these sources, then I would be greatly enlightened. The second book you mentioned is sitting on my desk as we talk.

Please, please, post up a detailed description of how combat is conducted in JICM, what factors are used, and how the actual fights are resolved.

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Vasiliy
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posted 09-11-2003 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vasiliy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Chris!

It was the question, not a statement. I never seen these books, I only know that its exist.

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Vasiliy

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Chris Lawrence
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posted 09-11-2003 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Lawrence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vasiliy:
I never seen these books, I only know that its exist.

I currently have a stack sitting next to my desk of seven RAND reports related to JICM/RSAS/RSAC/"Situational Force Scoring". I can't get there from here.

If there is a RAND report that actually provides the details of how combat is conducted, including what factors are used and how they affect the outcome, I would love to get a copy of it. I do not think such a document exists.

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Vasiliy
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posted 09-11-2003 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vasiliy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks

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