Mystics & Statistics

A new board has been stood up for The Dupuy Institute

We have stood up a new board of nine members for The Dupuy Institute, Inc. They are listed below along with a brief online bio.

Chairman: Rear-Admiral Jeffrey Harley – Rear-Admiral-Jeffrey-A-Harleye265.pdf
Vice-Chairman: Dr. Alexander Kott – Alexander Kott – Silver Spring, Maryland, USA | Yrkesprofil | LinkedIn
Secretary/Treasurer: Col. Joseph Follansbee – JOE FOLLANSBEE – Combat Weapons Development LLC | LinkedIn
Dr. Christopher Davis – Christopher Davis, Ph.D. – US Army | LinkedIn
Dr. Arnold Dupuy – Arnold C. Dupuy – Atlantic Council
Jacob Friend – PolyForge Industries, LLC | LinkedIn
Christopher A. Lawrence – Director – Christopher A. Lawrence – The Dupuy Institute
LtC. Michael McCarthy – Michael McCarthy – At home | LinkedIn
Major General David San Clemente – National Guard Biography

The Dupuy Institute was founded in 1992 by Trevor Dupuy as a continuation of the historically-based analysis his organizations had been doing since 1962. De facto, we have roots going back 64 years. It was a non-profit 501(c)(3) company from 1992 to 2014. The new TDI, Inc. is also planned to be a non-profit corporation. Want to take a moment to thank all of our new board members for volunteering and for their commitment to development of historically-based (meaning real world) analysis of modern defense issues.

More data on Port of Salerno engagements

Now…. the engagement in the last post was from the Combat Data Subscription Service published in 1975. These were the engagements used to create the QJM (@1977) and validate the QJM. They were later assembled into something called the Land Warfare Data Base (LWDB) which was used as the basis of CBD90. It was also used as the basis for a lot of what became our DuWar series of databases, and this engagement is in the DLEDB (Division-Level Engagement Data Base). It has been reviewed and revised. The current database shows:

  1. Engagement: 23003
  2. Port of Salerno Beachhead
  3. 9/9/43
  4. Br 46th Div 
  5. Ger KG Doernemann, 16th PzD
  6. Strength: 12917
  7. Strength: 2,995
  8. Armor: 0
  9. Armor: 0
  10. Artillery: 90
  11. Artillery: 18
  12. Suprise level: Minor
  13. Casualties: 350 (2.71%)
  14. Casualties: 70 (2.34%)
  15. Created 30 October 1998 for EPW study by Richard Anderson

 

 

  1. Engagement: 23004
  2. Port of Slaerno (rev)
  3. 9/10/43 – 9/11/43
  4. Br 46th Div
  5. Ger KG Schmalz, HG Division
  6. Strength: 16,837
  7. Strength: 11,955
  8. Armor: 48
  9. Armor: 72
  10. Artillery: 119
  11. Artillery: 36
  12. Casualties: 1180 (3.50% a day)
  13. Casualties: 300 (1.25% a day)
  14. Extensively revised 30 October 1998 for EPW study by Richard Anderson. Original engagement no. 3950 deleted.

 

Anyhow, there two engagements replaced the original engagement in the QJM validation database and the CBD90. In the DLEDB there are actually 96 fields that describe an engagement. This is an abbreviated list. 

Data from the First Validation of the QJM

I do state in War by Numbers that there were three validations of the QJM/TNDM although the first was not published. That is not entirely correct. It was not published as a stand alone validation, but significant parts of it was published. The actual engagements were all published as part of the Combat Data Subscription Service. It was eight volumes, with the first volume published in 1975. In there it listed all the engagements used by the QJM. For example (page 6):

 

 

 

 

 

Now, the actual results of these test runs was published in his 1977 book Numbers, Predictions and War (NPW).  As Trevor Dupuy specifically notes on page 58 of his book:

Appendix B contains a consolidated summary of HERO’s QJM Engagement Data Base. The first 8l examples in this consolidated statistical comparison show the theoretical results and actual results of these 81 World War II engagements (60 in the Development Data Base, 21 in the Validating Data Base; 61 in ltaly, 19 in northwest Europe, and 1 in Russia). In all of these the P/P value reflects an average German combat effectiveness superiority factor of about 23 percent.”

This was done back in the day when Data Base was two words and could exist on paper, vice a computer.

Anyhow, in Appendix B of NPW is “HERO’s QJM Data Base (as of May 1977)”.  The specific engagement in question is given as:

No.     Year & Date          Battle Designation         Force X Designation     Posture
1.         1943, Sep   9-11     Port of Salerno                B  46 ID                               A
                                                                                                                                 Air %:
Force Y Designation       Posture            Na            Nd               S/S          W   W     P/P
G   16 PzD                            PD                     12,917       4,250         1.83          0     22   0.73
                                                                % cas/day
Surp     P/P          PR/PR      CEV       x         y             I          I           SE         SE
1.5          1.10          0.87          0.79      3.51    0.94      7.4      2.3       1.02     3.85

I left out the subscripts. But one can see Appendix B (pages 234-235) for these details.

Now, this does not still actually do a direct validation in that it compares model results to actual historical combat results, but one can see the data they used for their inputs and what the outcomes were of these engagements.

French Air Power: The Spanish Civil War

The sixth of a series of eight presentations on French Air Power 1918 – 1940 by Dr. James Slaughter is this Wednesday, 27 May, 7:00 PM (EST) via Zoom.

The Zoom link is here:

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87873302892?pwd=CxXR7quHmysDYl6S8xeOM73qDo6KwI.1

The whole series is here: French Air Power 1918-1940 – The Dupuy Institute




 

 

The call for presentations for the Fifth HAAC is here: Call for Presentations for the Fifth HAAC, 20 – 22 October 2026 – The Dupuy Institute

The schedule for the Fifth HAAC is rapidly filling in. Now is a good time to commit: HAAC 2026: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) – The Dupuy Institute

Just email me at LawrenceTDI@aol.com is you want to sign up for a presentation.

The sign-up for Fifth HAAC is here: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) Tickets, Tuesday, October 20  •  8 AM – 6 PM | Eventbrite

Operation Spider’s Web released in UK

My latest book Operation Spider’s Web: Ukraine’s Devastating Drone Attack on Russia’s Long-Range Aircraft has been released in the UK.

The link is here: Pen and Sword Books: Operation Spider’s Web – Hardback

The UK Amazon.com link is here: Operation Spider’s Web: Ukraine’s Devastating Drone Attack on Russia’s Long-Range Aircraft: Amazon.co.uk: Christopher A Lawrence: 9781036196738: Books

It is available in the UK in hardcover. The kindle edition will be available before 30 July in the U.S. and UK.  The hardcover version has a release date in the U.S. of 30 July 2026.

This is my third book on the Russo-Ukrainian War (Kyiv, Mariupol and now Operation Spider’s Web). Working on more. 

French Air Power: Doctrine and Intelligence 1934 – 1940

The fifth of a series of eight presentations on French Air Power 1918 – 1940 by Dr. James Slaughter is this Wednesday, 13 May, 7:00 PM (EST) via Zoom.

The Zoom link is here:

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83581419598?pwd=V2Pncrzxk686uy6ahVa7lT0M8GVPSu.1

The whole series is here: French Air Power 1918-1940 – The Dupuy Institute

The Morane D-3801 (from Switzerland late 1940).
At the Duxford Airshow 2006 (photo by Kogo)


The call for presentations for the Fifth HAAC is here: Call for Presentations for the Fifth HAAC, 20 – 22 October 2026 – The Dupuy Institute

The schedule for the Fifth HAAC is rapidly filling in. Now is a good time to commit: HAAC 2026: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) – The Dupuy Institute

Just email me at LawrenceTDI@aol.com is you want to sign up for a presentation.

The sign-up for Fifth HAAC is here: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) Tickets, Tuesday, October 20  •  8 AM – 6 PM | Eventbrite

French Air Power: Aircraft and Industry 1934 to 1940

The fourth of a series of eight presentations on French Air Power 1918 – 1940 by Dr. James Slaughter is this Wednesday, 29 April, 7:00 PM (EST) via Zoom.

The Zoom link is here:

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/86389557188?pwd=CqKeUajYxXiiw8al9FqrtBCXTbUfzC.1

The whole series is here: French Air Power 1918-1940 – The Dupuy Institute

The Morane D-3801 (from Switzerland late 1940).
At the Duxford Airshow 2006 (photo by Kogo)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The call for presentations for the Fifth HAAC is here: Call for Presentations for the Fifth HAAC, 20 – 22 October 2026 – The Dupuy Institute

The schedule for the Fifth HAAC is rapidly filling in. Now is a good time to commit: HAAC 2026: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) – The Dupuy Institute

Just email me at LawrenceTDI@aol.com is you want to sign up for a presentation.

The sign-up for Fifth HAAC is here: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) Tickets, Tuesday, October 20  •  8 AM – 6 PM | Eventbrite

AI and the 3-to-1 rule (AI issue #4)

My friend, affectionally known as Mr. Spock, decided to look at a little further. He asked Microsoft’s Copilot: “What evidence is there about Dupuy Institute claims concerning the relevance of a 3:1 ratio’s usefulness in military warfare?”

The short answer: The Dupuy Institute’s own research does not support the idea that the 3:1 ratio is a universally valid or predictive rule of warfare. Their empirical battle databases show that attackers often win with less than 3:1, that 3:1 is rarely achieved, and that the rule itself is conceptually ambiguous. The Institute’s founder, Trevor N. Dupuy, explicitly criticized the rule’s usefulness.

Now this does contradict the previous AI answer on the subject: Another AI issue (#3) – The Dupuy Institute

It did provide a “structured, evidence-driven breakdown”

Core Evidence From Dupuy Institute Sources

1. Dupuy’s empirical critique of the 3:1 rule

Trevor Dupuy argued that the 3:1 rule is ambiguouspoorly defined, and unsupported as a universal planning factor. He questioned what “3:1” even refers to—men, weapons, firepower, or some other measure—and emphasized that context matters more than raw numbersdupuyinstitute.dreamhosters.com

He wrote that neither numbers nor firepower “tells us much unless we know the circumstances under which these numbers face each other and the manner in which the firepower is applied.” dupuyinstitute.dreamhosters.com

2. Historical battle database results (HERO/CAA study)

Dupuy’s Historical Evaluation Research Organization (HERO) compiled 598 battles (1600–1973). The U.S. Army Concepts Analysis Agency analyzed these data and found:

  • Attackers with ≥3:1 manpower succeeded 74% of the time.
  • Attackers with between 1.5:1 disadvantage and <3:1 advantage still won 58–63% of the time.
  • Only 17.7% of battles** even achieved a 3:1 manpower advantage.** dupuyinstitute.dreamhosters.com

Implication:
3:1 improves odds but is not required for success, and most real battles do not meet it.

3. Dupuy’s own clarification in Understanding War

In a 1989 correspondence responding to critics, Dupuy clarified that he did not endorse the 3:1 rule as a reliable predictor. He called it a “crude rule of thumb” used by planners, not a validated law of combat. JSTOR

He emphasized that the rule’s basis is only that “in historical instances an attacker with such an advantage has usually been successful”—a generalization, not a principle. JSTOR

4. Modern Dupuy Institute commentary (Christopher A. Lawrence)

Current TDI leadership continues to stress that:

  • The 3:1 rule is frequently misunderstood.
  • Their data shows wide variation in outcomes at all force ratios.
  • Human factors, posture, terrain, and operational conditions often outweigh raw ratios. The Dupuy Institute

Lawrence points readers to Understanding War and War by Numbers, both of which show that force ratios alone are weak predictors of outcomes.


🧭 External scholarly reinforcement

5. U.S. Army monograph: An Examination of Force Ratios

A 2019 Army thesis reviewing Dupuy and others concludes that force ratios are often invalid as planning heuristics and may create “unwanted mental constraints.” apps.dtic.mil

This aligns with Dupuy’s own empirical findings.


🎯 Synthesis: What the Evidence Shows

What is supported?

  • A 3:1 manpower advantage does correlate with higher attacker success rates.
  • It is a useful very rough heuristic for planners.

What is not supported?

  • That 3:1 is necessary for success.
  • That 3:1 is a universal predictor across eras, terrains, or force types.
  • That 3:1 is meaningful without specifying what is being measured (men, firepower, combat power).
  • That 3:1 is commonly achievable in real operations.

Dupuy Institute’s bottom line:

The 3:1 rule is not a validated law of combat, but a simplistic planning rule whose predictive value collapses under empirical scrutiny.


 

In the end its sources are two articles on this blog, a response Trevor Dupuy wrote in 1989 in response to a question about his 1987 book Understanding War, and a masters-degree-level thesis prepared at C&GS. It interestingly and somewhat significantly did not reference Trevor Dupuy’s book Understanding War which has a chapter on the subject or my book War by Numbers which has a chapter on force ratios.

Now, why isn’t it referencing these sources, which are probably where I would start if I was researching this subject? Well, they are published books and still under the 70 year copyright rule.  So you can look at a copy at your local library, but AI cannot reference or read it. It is not available as a download file on the internet, therefore they appear to not exist. This means that AI has a 70-year blind spot, in that it cannot reference or review anything written in the last 70-years unless someone re-posts elements to the internet. This is what is did with Trevor Dupuy’s book Understanding War.  In this effort (which was fine), it mostly used blog posts written by me or Shawn Woodford.

I am not sure how this works, but if I get hit by a bus, and am no longer able to pay the annual fees to maintain this blog, then I gather this knowledge will disappear from the internet and from AI’s access.  

This is now the fourth issue I have had with AI (not that I am using it much). I have blogged about them:

1. Khrushchev Quote and AI – The Dupuy Institute
2. Yahoo AI and order of battle for operations near Chernihiv in 2022 – The Dupuy Institute
3. Another AI issue (#3) – The Dupuy Institute
4. This blog post (AI Issue #4)

French Air Power: Late 20s and Air Force Independence – this Wednesday

The third of a series of eight presentations on French Air Power 1918 – 1940 by Dr. James Slaughter is this Wednesday, 15 April, 7:00 PM (EST) via Zoom.

The Zoom link is here: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/82767463706?pwd=qSJpzw2OiCr61CCRZ0f6nSVz5tzRCN.1

The whole series is here: French Air Power 1918-1940 – The Dupuy Institute

The call for presentations for the Fifth HAAC is here: Call for Presentations for the Fifth HAAC, 20 – 22 October 2026 – The Dupuy Institute

The schedule for the Fifth HAAC is rapidly filling in. Now is a good time to commit: HAAC 2026: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) – The Dupuy Institute

Just email me at LawrenceTDI@aol.com is you want to sign up for a presentation.

The sign-up for Fifth HAAC is here: Fifth Historical Analysis Annual Conference (HAAC) Tickets, Tuesday, October 20  •  8 AM – 6 PM | Eventbrite

Report #81: Soldier Capability

We have had report number #81 available on our website for a while. It is on “Soldier Capability: Army Combat Effectiveness (SCACE): Historical Combat Data and Analysis (1980) (Battelle). See: HERO/TNDA Reports – The Dupuy Institute

The link to the report is here: 081.pdf

It is also available on line through DTIC. It is the same report with a different cover: Soldier Capability – Army Combat Effectiveness (SCACE). Volume 3. Historical Combat Data and Analysis.

Not sure I have anything else other to say about this other than to note that some (but not all) of our reports are available through DTIC or NTIS.